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Poster: jjjbaggins Date: Dec 5, 2005 1:29am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

It's not too late to download great quality NRPS from 1970-71! These are Jerry's years with the band and have not been represented on official NRPS releases yet, unless you count three bonus songs on the first album from 7-2-71 (which is available in its entirety here). I hope I'm not attracting unwanted attention, but if they do have the power to pull these, too, I now have them all so drop me a line.

This post was modified by jjjbaggins on 2005-12-05 09:29:48

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Poster: QtheE Date: Dec 6, 2005 1:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

So it looks like, following fan backlash, streaming soundboards have been restored...

Though I don't think we've STILL heard a definative word from the Band on this issue, its seems clear that it IS all about the MONEY - otherwise downloads would still be allowed.

The sad thing is, if they had handled this a different way the fans would have reacted differently and they could have maintained the good will while still cashing in.

The way the pulled the plug, without warning or explanation is part of what pissed so many people off.

My recommendation would have been to announce that one year from now, Soundboard recordings would no longer be available for free downloads.

Announce that following that time, soundboard recordings would be available for downloading at a very reasonable prices - perhaps allowing a one time fee for a lifetime of downloads, etc...

By taking measured and reasonable steps they could have ensured that, while the price per concert was low, the volume of downloaders would remain high. As it stands they've pissed off their best customers.

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Poster: gphishmon Date: Dec 6, 2005 12:20pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Bob claimed that they were worried about lawsuits from artists they covered at some of the shows. I don't know why he brought this up - the shows were up for years with no lawsuits, and artists who would sue could sue over audience tapes as well. More importantly, any suits would be filed against Archive, not the Grateful Dead.

Later he gets to the real gist of it, "We need the revenue!"

Let's face it: Free downloads of near-professional quality recordings of classic shows were too good to be true and too good to last. Frankly, I'm one of those they're getting at - I probably wouldn't buy another Dick's Picks while Archive was available, except maybe a used copy, if I just had to have the show. I might not buy one anyway, but at least there's the possibility, I guess. It got weird when I was cursing every show that went DP or Vault since it was no longer available at Archive. That strikes a part of me as wrong, so I don't mind so much what they did. I've got more already than I have time or inclination to listen to in a month, and at least I got 1-22-78 (just) before the axe fell!

I suppose that's all rationalization, but hey: In the scheme of things, whether I can download another 72 or 73 Dark Star or Other One really doesn't matter.

"Can't talk to you without talking to me.
We're guilty of the same old thing.
Thinking a lot about less and less,
And forgetting the love we bring."

- Hunter/Garcia -

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Poster: doodle Date: Dec 6, 2005 12:47pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Amen brother. It's a bummer that they're gone, but we haven't lost a thing. We all had a year or better of free, EASY ACCESS sbd's to download at the touch of a button. There is no way that that did not hurt their sales (which I do feel are too expensive, mind you!)Times have changed, and they want/need to sell the boards. Let them! The auds are still here, and all those boards we downloaded are available for trade the old fashioned way. It's all cool, and we're all spoiled. We need to get over it and look at all the stuff we have and be happy we got it. And in so far as Phil's statement, I don't understand how everyone is making him out to be a god here. Now, I'm not attacking Phil, but all he said about this was "I didn't do it". He didn't offer you anything or any insight, and suddenly everyone thinks he made the grandest gesture of all time.I have kids and I know "I didn't do it" is rarely the answer I'm looking for at those times. Confusing.

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Poster: Cnick Date: Dec 6, 2005 9:49pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

The boptoom line is that Phil is driving the bus and the sale to Musictoday - owned by Matthews - is the result. The boards are out there ands should remain available for download. Have you seen the new site - $17 to $22 for Flac downloads. Check out this article....

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5938040?rnd=1133963354107&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1348

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Poster: doodle Date: Dec 6, 2005 11:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Interesting stuff. Thanks for the link. I remember some of that talk circulating a couple of years ago when this article was written. I just wonder what has changed and how??

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Poster: iambillsmith Date: Jan 20, 2006 1:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

hey man, i saw you put a review of patchwork blu on the show for lumberjam. my name is bill i was the bass player for patchwork. we are actually done as a band, but myself, the keys player, and the drummer started up a new project with another drummer and guitar player. we are called fourth river. we have one show here on archive, though it is our first show so we arent REAL tight yet, but we are getting there. this is the only way i saw i could get in contact with you, thanks for the kind words.